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Post by Demosthanes on Dec 20, 2014 5:49:56 GMT -5
If you all have noticed, I own all of Eastern Europe. This blocks Asia from all of you. None of us have ships so you cannot sail around me. I will be selling passage through my land to get to Asia. All deals will be made on this thread.
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Post by Deadsouls on Dec 20, 2014 9:40:20 GMT -5
If you all have noticed, I own all of Eastern Europe. This blocks Asia from all of you. None of us have ships so you cannot sail around me. I will be selling passage through my land to get to Asia. All deals will be made on this thread. What do you want out of the deal for passage? Currency or Resources? |
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Post by Geminibios on Dec 20, 2014 13:24:54 GMT -5
I remember you talking anout this but now I really gotta ask, who says we don't have ships? in fact, we definitely do given my attacks on Portugal and the fact that I can trade with people, besides, we all have airships... And Germany has had a page on his navy for quite a while and it was approved by Ceres in another separate thread so...
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Post by IonicCraze on Dec 20, 2014 15:51:20 GMT -5
I mentioned before that it would be quite easy to sail away from Ukraine to get to Asia. and you definitely have a point. we all have ships.
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Post by Demosthanes on Dec 20, 2014 17:10:51 GMT -5
I will offer €10,000 for you to allow me to pass until the end of the year. Then I can provide you with any new resources I gain from my colonies. Ceres, your offer is accepted. I will request the money paid in full by tomorrow morning. |
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Post by Demosthanes on Dec 20, 2014 17:13:03 GMT -5
Travel by ships may take weeks. I suggest taking the shorter route through my land. The price will be reasonable and struggles will be less.
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Post by Demosthanes on Dec 20, 2014 17:24:09 GMT -5
I remember you talking anout this but now I really gotta ask, who says we don't have ships? in fact, we definitely do given my attacks on Portugal and the fact that I can trade with people, besides, we all have airships... And Germany has had a page on his navy for quite a while and it was approved by Ceres in another separate thread so... You are correct in the fact that there are ships. But you are misguided in their purpose. They are for small peace keeping operations only. They are not large enough to support and supply an army that if traveling thousands if miles. Therefore, the only way into Asia is through and across my land. |
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Post by Geminibios on Dec 20, 2014 17:29:40 GMT -5
By that logic, my nation no longer exists.
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Post by Demosthanes on Dec 20, 2014 17:31:48 GMT -5
I guess you are a really good swimmer
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Post by Demosthanes on Dec 20, 2014 17:34:05 GMT -5
By that logic, my nation no longer exists. Though you nation wall formed all in the same continent. You can't go cross continental. |
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Post by Geminibios on Dec 20, 2014 17:39:17 GMT -5
Your guys rules are becoming very obnoxious, I do not take a ship across a channel then walk to another country any more than you would drive to your neighbors driveway then walk to the store
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Post by Geminibios on Dec 20, 2014 19:41:38 GMT -5
First off, unifying weak nations is peacekeeping according to yourself and everyone else in this RP and the navies, AND airships I might add, were used for this when it came to Portugal and to sweden/norway and just recently, Finland. secondly, sea routes exist all through he waters north of Russia which are just as accessible as the waters just outside of Europe coasts so don't try to say " its not on the map", again, that logic would completely destroy my nation and Japan and indochina/indonesia/phillipines. Use of he logic would make everything except for the meditteranean and he black sea unusable, again, my nation and the others listed would effectively be completely isolated. And once again, we have airships to fly over land as well, or are those just as useless as our navies apparently are now that it would benefit you to make them so, oh great and unjust dictator?
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Post by Demosthanes on Dec 20, 2014 19:49:43 GMT -5
well i dont plan on ding a dictator. so thats why im selling passage through my land
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Post by Geminibios on Dec 20, 2014 19:50:56 GMT -5
I swear, you don't stop working to make yourself a powerhouse, which is breaking one of your rules,btw, first, you make yourself the largest by population and almost by land county by rp'ing every neutral nation to your side, that is, until Germany called you out on it, then, you threaten a new player, doomfaller, that if he takes Spain, a nation you partly own, that you would "kill" him, and offer him my Portugal instead, and now, you make it so none of us can expand except for Ukraine and his buddy, yourself, because it can once again, make you a powerhouse, heck, you probably made the rule against powerhouses simply so others wouldn't compete against you in doing so. You gotta play fair too Ceres, frankly, your an abomination right now through your own very acts.
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Post by Geminibios on Dec 20, 2014 19:52:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Ukraine, those last two messages were both mostly for Ceres, none of this is against you friend.just so you know, your not the dictator here...
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Post by Ceres on Dec 20, 2014 20:02:21 GMT -5
I swear, you don't stop working to make yourself a powerhouse, which is breaking one of your rules,btw, first, you make yourself the largest by population and almost by land county by rp'ing every neutral nation to your side, that is, until Germany called you out on it, then, you threaten a new player, doomfaller, that if he takes Spain, a nation you partly own, that you would "kill" him, and offer him my Portugal instead, and now, you make it so none of us can expand except for Ukraine and his buddy, yourself, because it can once again, make you a powerhouse, heck, you probably made the rule against powerhouses simply so others wouldn't compete against you in doing so. You gotta play fair too Ceres, frankly, your an abomination right now through your own very acts. I'm no where close to being a powerhouse, after all I just lost Switzerland peacefully and my population only numbers 12 million. Secondly, I have an average economic rating. Thirdly, I just spent a majority of my available money on a land pass. How am I playing unfair? |
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Post by Ceres on Dec 20, 2014 20:29:49 GMT -5
First off, unifying weak nations is peacekeeping according to yourself and everyone else in this RP and the navies, AND airships I might add, were used for this when it came to Portugal and to sweden/norway and just recently, Finland. secondly, sea routes exist all through he waters north of Russia which are just as accessible as the waters just outside of Europe coasts so don't try to say " its not on the map", again, that logic would completely destroy my nation and Japan and indochina/indonesia/phillipines. Use of he logic would make everything except for the meditteranean and he black sea unusable, again, my nation and the others listed would effectively be completely isolated. And once again, we have airships to fly over land as well, or are those just as useless as our navies apparently are now that it would benefit you to make them so, oh great and unjust dictator? Following historical accuracy, no nation has the technology to sail across the Russian channel without sustaining hefty losses. There wouldn't be enough troops to gain a region and there's only a two-month break during the summer months. Any Empire that tried this would lose too much. But I'm not stopping anyone. The airships however, that's a bright idea. I forgot about them but I don't believe they were used on Finland. If you plan to incorporate them, you don't have open borders with Ukraine, but the reaction is up to Demosthanes. Personally, if I was in Demosthanes shoes, I'd be angry if a nation did this to me. That's just trying to snake around a possible deal. Both Empires benefit in the end so I don't understand why you're in so much opposition Gemini. Demosthanes gains from the toll while the Empire who pays it has the oppertunity to gain excessive amounts of territory. Also, I believe that Demosthanes and Zuzuman, it should take a little longer before you successfully conquer a territory. I'd say about 3 Real life days, these territories are much, much larger than their European counterparts. Also, perhaps Asian territories should have 10 million population apiece? |
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Post by The-Great-Zuzu-Man on Dec 20, 2014 20:46:43 GMT -5
Well, I haven't conquered Finland just stated I was attacking it.
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Post by Geminibios on Dec 20, 2014 21:07:05 GMT -5
Firstly, sorry for being a little cross with you, but I believe you need to identify your actions for what they are, you haven't been fully fair through this all, secondly, don't talk about not being able to sustain those voyages because as you have said before, we ARE accelerating through history faster than actual history went, given our current technologies being rather impressive for our time indeed, so historic relevance to our specific year1901 is already inadequate for the technologies we possess and the kind of speed we have been gaining lands, and thirdly, it is not beneficial for both parties because we all must instead lat for something that ought to be free.
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Post by Deadsouls on Dec 20, 2014 21:15:02 GMT -5
I swear, you don't stop working to make yourself a powerhouse, which is breaking one of your rules,btw, first, you make yourself the largest by population and almost by land county by rp'ing every neutral nation to your side, that is, until Germany called you out on it, then, you threaten a new player, doomfaller, that if he takes Spain, a nation you partly own, that you would "kill" him, and offer him my Portugal instead, and now, you make it so none of us can expand except for Ukraine and his buddy, yourself, because it can once again, make you a powerhouse, heck, you probably made the rule against powerhouses simply so others wouldn't compete against you in doing so. You gotta play fair too Ceres, frankly, your an abomination right now through your own very acts. I'm no where close to being a powerhouse, after all I just lost Switzerland peacefully and my population only numbers 12 million. Secondly, I have an average economic rating. Thirdly, I just spent a majority of my available money on a land pass. How am I playing unfair? He is not a powerhouse and honestly I have no problem with Ceres. He is fair to me and so is everyone else. However, we are not allies and does have a point. There was no bloodshed to create the Swiss Empire, but yet you try to start up drama between each other. As Switzerland would do in these times, I am staying neutral in these affairs. If you guys want to declare war, do so but leave me out because I offer nothing that both of your nations would want from me. I mean I have to start the technology so far behind it is not even funny. I find this to be childish that the British Empire would accuse Austria-Hungary of being a powerhouse. Also, I find it to be childish about Austria-Hungary's threats towards Portugal even though we aren't allies. Both of you should quit being childish and actually prevent war from breaking out. The last thing we need is a world war  . |
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Post by Ceres on Dec 20, 2014 22:06:34 GMT -5
There should always be a challenge to gaining land, we are currently gaining territories like there is no tomorrow. I'm trying to make it more realistic by extending the territorial transition rate to 3 real life days (15 days in the RP). It is not possible to conquer a third of China (size reference) or any other territory in 15 days and we must accept that. We may be rapidly advancing in Technology but cars for example, remain rather rare in society and cars have yet to be fully implemented into nation armies. Some nations do not even have electricity! And as for naval troops, the only technology that directly enhanced them was Sonar. Perhaps we need more Naval Techs. But Sonar is not going to help you break through ice. In the RP timeframe it is now September, and the opening of the Northern Passage above Russia has closed because the 2-month timespan has ended.
Gemini, land should never be free. Zuzu tried to make the RP more realistic by arguing morals with me when he wanted to expand his Empire, it was a beneficial argument as it tried to provide realism. Everyone, no doubt, is planning on taking territory after territory and the RP is slowly losing it's touch. Realism is slowly being dissolved along with reasoning. I did state to IonicCraze when he took over the History page, "We have the events but I need help making the details. Italy declared war on Sicily, okay, but we need reasoning for it." That reasoning, we never did get. For one, implementing that players pay for land in money or resources is a great idea as it's realistic. Remember, people live in these unclaimed territories, they just don't have governments. They still think, they're still humans. I doubt everyone would be happy if we gave the Asian provinces governments and leaders so they could actually fight back.
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